Used under aCreative Commons license. "Perhaps (Oberg) is unaware," Temple went on, "that the differential curvature of the earth variously distorts distances shown on maps. Astronomers classify Sirius as a "class A" star, hotter and younger than our sun, Its brightness is due largely to its proximity; it is barely eight light- years away from the earth. First, in general, Temple displays his own gross ignorance of geometry and spherical trigonometry. The Bad Archaeology page on the Sirius Mystery has summarize the basic details well: In 1976, Robert K G Temple (born 1945), an American living in the UK, published what was to become a seminal work of Bad Archaeology, The Sirius Mystery. Legends of the Dogon Belief in a Long-Solved Mystery Resurfaces. [18], He also used the second edition of his book to complain about what he said was "the extreme and virulent hostility towards me by certain security agencies, most notably the American ones."[19]. The second problem is that ancient writers seemed to use color for stars in a way different from the way that we do (they described Pollux, Arcturus, and Capella as red a modern observer would call them yellow-orange, orange, and yellow, respectively). 1999. The Dogon and Sirius. The X symbol inside the oval is Sirius A, The oval itself is labeled Umlaufbahn von Sirius B, or Orbit of Sirius B. Pretty convincing. Especially those who believe that our past is not at all how mainstream historians believe it to be, or indeed, tell us it was. James and Thorpe understate the problem when they say this is very worrying. Griaule claimed that about 15 per cent of the Dogon tribe possessed this secret knowledge, but Van Beek could find no trace of it in the decade he spent with the Dogon. Temple claims his expert cartographer found these distances "nearly equal." We need more reliable evidence -- especially theories that can be tested. They point out that the ancient Egyptians and Sumerians used spherical lenses6 (even though they are a bad choice to use in telescopes try seeing an image through a glass bead). One group says the Dogon got their information from aliens from the Sirian system called Nommos. Y%gbsPFur[%X7Sz Dogon to explain their beliefs. As the brightest star in the sky it was known and worshiped by ancient civilizations. Sagan suggests, however, that that civilization was But was anything left out? Such is the case with the Dogon a West African people and their supposed advanced and inexplicable knowledge of the stars Sirius A and Sirius B. Sirius A is the brightest star in our sky. Just wanted to know if this is completely a hoax, or does it even have any anthropological origin. The mystery of the ancient "red" Sirius also remains baffling. Temple's book mentions the absorption of a Christ-figure into the traditional Dogon Pantheon, obviously a recent addition. Could a remote African people have gained esoteric knowledge about the sky without having telescopes? WebAlso there is the fact that they described the Nommo as fish people and you find all kinds of half man/half fish - serpent imagery all over the Mediterranean. Legends of the Dogon Belief in a Long-Solved Mystery Resurfaces. technological societies located on planet earth. Temple does not argue that contact with an advanced civilization is the only way that the Dogon could have obtained what he understood to be accurate information on Sirius B, but he indicates that he personally finds the theory of alien contact more convincing. A substantial bulk of The Sirius Mystery consists of comparative linguistic and mythological scholarship, pointing out resemblances among Dogon, Yoruba, Egyptian and Sumerian beliefs and symbols. Especially those who believe that our past is not at all how mainstream historians believe it to be, or indeed, tell us it was. Even in the most optimistic reading of this tale, the Dogon know no more than we knew about the Solar System and nearby stars in the 1930s, which is about the time that Griaule and Deiterlen first interacted with them. Nor does he establish a connection between the Dogon creator Nommo and the star Sirius. Griaule and Dieterlen describe a world renovation ceremony, associated For instance, the anthropologist Walter Van Beek, who studied the Dogon after Griaule and Dieterlen, found no evidence that the Dogon considered Sirius to be a double star and/or that astronomy was particularly important in their belief system. The Dogon People Revisited.. The interval between ceremonies may be forty, fifty or sixty years. What is interesting is that the Dogon knew about Sirius and its triple star system way before modern science found out its existence. % The main problem with the alleged antiquity of the Dogon "Sirius secrets" legend is that they are reminiscent of European Sirius speculations of the late 1920s. The Sirius mystery, though, remains of great interest to many researchers today. Its appearance in the dawn sky over Egypt warned of the impending Nile floods and the summer's heat and marked the beginning of the Egyptian calendar. This proves that geodetic surveys of immense accuracy were thus practiced in ancient Egypt with a knowledge of the earth as a spherical body in space and projections upon it envisaged as part of the Sirius lore.". 68-70. Is Sirius a Triple Star?, Adams, H. H. 1983. You dont have to watch too many Fantasy Channel (formerly known as the History Channel) specials on ancient astronauts before youll be told about the primitive African Dogon of Mali and their advanced astronomical knowledge bestowed, of course, by extraterrestrials. Afrocentrists, on the other hand, claimed that the Dogon could see Where did they get this knowledge, he asks, if not from traditional interest in the sky and astronomical phenomena. If a European had visited the Dogon in the 1920's and 1930's, conversation would likely have turned to astronomical matters, including Sirius, the brightest star in the sky and the center of Dogon mythology. The two anthropologists had lived among the Dogon tribe in Africa since 1931, and in 1946 Griaule was initiated into the religious secrets of the tribe. According to Griaule and [5], Astronomer Carl Sagan touched upon the issue in his book Broca's Brain (1979), seeing problems in Temple's hypothesis. WebRe: Dogon Sirius claim debunked - Graham Hancock Official Website Mysteries Taken from [ library.thinkquest.org] According to the Dogon priests, Sirius is orbited by a tiny secret star that they refer to as 'po', which traces an elliptical path around Sirius taking 50 years to extraterrestrial visitors? Noah Brosch explained in his book Sirius Matters that cultural transfer could have taken place between 19th century French astronomers and Dogon tribe members during the observations of the solar eclipse on 16 April 1893. Our mysteries may be different but our questions are the same and we are no wiser. Whew! Temples response to criticism has so far been evasive. Therefore, if Sirius C exists, it must orbit Sirius A. In 1998, Temple republished the book with the subtitle new scientific evidence of alien contact 5,000 years ago. The books reputation was first dented in 1999, when Lynn Picknett and Clive Prince published The Stargate Conspiracy, in which they allege that Temples thinking had been heavily influenced by his mentor, Arthur M. Young. Either way, the original purity of the Dogon-Sirius story is itself a myth as it is highly likely that Griaule contaminated their knowledge with his own. As the brightest star in the sky it was known and worshiped by ancient civilizations. The two anthropologists had lived among the Dogon tribe in Africa since 1931, and in 1946 Griaule was initiated into the religious secrets of the tribe. In their original findings, Griaule and Deiterlen make no comment about the Dogon knowledge of Sirius B. With this, the Dogon mystery comes crashing down. This means that it will have a lifetime on the stellar Main Sequence, which is where stars spend 90% of their lives, of about 1.2 billion years. After being surprised that an astromomy association would, after all this time, bother to publish such an article, I did a web search and found that in 1997 Robert Temple published a second edition of the book that started it all TheSirius Mystery in which he addressed none of the main criticisms that had been directed against the first edition, published in 1976. The parts that bear at least a superficial resemblance to astronomical facts are most likely trimmings added in this century. According to the Dogon, the instructor gods descended from Sirius and brought knowledge and wisdom. space. fifty years. This is the original Dogon drawing. Hmm, The Cardiff Giant, one of the most celebrated hoaxes in American history, on display at the Farmers Museum in Cooperstown, NY. WebNew evidence deals a devastating blow to what was considered to be the best case for extraterrestrial visitation. [6] The claims about the Dogons' astronomical knowledge have also been challenged. One of the pieces of evidence Temple cites is a sand picture made by the It would appear that the Dogon had extensive knowledge of the Sirius star system before the outside world had a chance to give it to them. Liam McDaid is Astronomy Coordinator and Professor of Astronomy at Sacramento City College. Precise maps at the NASA space photo interpretation lab in Houston list "Behdet" as an ancient name for modern Damanhur, located today at 31.03 degN, 30.28 degE, i.e., more than a hundred kilometers away from where Temple locates his "Behdet" at 31.50 degN, 31.23 degE. The Dogon have a Could Sirius B have been a red giant a few thousand years ago? civilization. of their culture, came from Sirius -- which is at the crux of Temple's reconstruction? S]V',H79aD>1 Q@d(FOY;"36y0Z{VXEJwOx._tto}#&i|HR-i4 Dieterlen the Dogon also name a companion star, po tolo "Digitaria That in itself is extraordinary.". He points out that the Dogon myths also describe a third star (astronomers would call it "Sirius C"), as yet undiscovered. The position of the (I must confess I've felt that way about some other people, tool). for some unknown reason from a planet orbiting Through the carbon dating of old ritual masks researchers have established the antiquity of the Segui ceremonies. Why would Europeans feel compelled that they needed to discuss astronomy with such a primitive tribe and why would this transfer of knowledge that only lasted 5 weeks have such an impact on the Dogan people that they would include it in their cultural practices? of Griaule informants, had ever heard or understood that Sirius was a WebThe Dogon, the Nommos and Sirius B Artist's conception of the Dogon's legendary Nommos. Try my free online Rune Readings! mystery resurfaces." The Dogon have a traditional interest in the sky and astronomical phenomena. See also von Dniken, Zecharia Sitchin, and UFO. He allegedly found the distances "to be nearly equal to one another" -- although no quantitative definition of "nearly equal" was ever offered. Ancient Several possibilities exist. Ask about whatever you want with our Free Rune Readings! Of those websites, over 400 had been updated within the last three months. Temple lists a number of astronomical beliefs held by the Dogon that The Skeptics Society is a non-profit, Sagan, Carl 1980. Temple's book is indeed extremely long and many other researchers have echoed Asimov's assertion that it is "unreadable." It is a type of fuel that can lead to what Clay Farris Naff cleverly calls the neuron bomb. In this post, Michael Shermer asks, Is there a moral standard that stands above all the worlds religions that is based on some transcendent source?. Meanwhile the Dogon myths continue to baffle investigators. Sounds like you're grasping at straws. E. "Ancient Astronauts," in The Encyclopedia of the All agree, however, that they learned about the star from Griaule. Van Beek states that this creates a major problem for Griaules claims. It's fascinating. Van Beek actually spoke to some of Griaules original informants; he noted that though they do speak about sigu tolo [interpreted by Griaule as their name for Sirius itself], they disagree completely with each other as to which star is meant; for some, it is an invisible star that should rise to announce the sigu [festival], for another it is Venus that, through a different position, appears as sigu tolo. To recapitulate: Griaule claimed to have been initiated into the secret mysteries of the male Dogon, during which they allegedly told him of Sirius (sigu tolo in their language) and its two invisible companions. For example, he claims that the Dogon have a drawing like the one in Figure 1. For more then 20 years, The Sirius Mystery has influenced speculation about the possibility that our forefathers came from the stars. Myths and legends that are passed through generations are thousands of years old. extraterrestrial visitor tells earthmen about the undiscovered Martian moons. "At first glance," Sagan admitted, "the Sirius legend of the Dogon seems Sirius was already the subject of a mystery concerning the traditional lore of the Dogon tribe of Mali, near Timbuktu in western Africa. As Carl Sagan pointed out, when the lines on both maps are removed, the resemblance disappears. by Liam McDaid. Ridpath concludes that any information that resembles the facts about Sirius was probably ascertained by way of cultural contamination. The Bad Archaeology page on the Sirius Mystery has summarize the basic details well: In 1976, Robert K G Temple (born 1945), an American living in the UK, published what was to become a seminal work of Bad Archaeology, The Sirius Mystery. sigui, held by the Dogon every sixty years. Most important, no one, even within the circle Webplanet earth. Although we can occasionally claim victory (are there any alchemists left? But even after hundreds of pages of myths and interpretations Temple fails to make a connection between ancient Egypt and the modern Dogons; instead he "assumes" it. If a European had visited the Dogon in the 1920's and 1930's, conversation would likely have turned to astronomical matters, including Sirius, the brightest star in the sky and the center of Dogon mythology. Some surviving informants of Griaule who spoke to van Beek made it clear that the Dogon learned about Sirius B from him!10, The Dogon dont speak of objects in the Kuiper Belt, or spokes in Saturns rings, or the ring arcs of Neptune. 30-31. This is strange, because one would think that it would be a major discovery in anthropology. One problem with this idea is that Sirius B has been a white dwarf for at least tens of thousands of years. In 1952, Young was one of nine people present during the first contact with the Council, an event initiated by Andrija Puharich, the man who brought Israeli spoonbender Uri Geller to America. And does the Dogon mythology ever really say that Nommo, the founder Ancient astronauts entrepreneur Erich von Daniken endorses and adopts Temple's explanations in his latest book, Von Daniken's Proof. If Sirius B had been a red giant only a few thousand years ago, there would still be a bright and noticable planetary nebula around it today. Temple's impressive research was encouraged by noted futurist Arthur C, Clarke (although Clarke now prefers the "modern influence" hypothesis). Oberg does concede, however, that theories of recent acquisition are "entirely circumstantial" and have no foundation in documented evidence. Credulous scholars, like Young and Temple, were taken in and through them a whole generation has swallowed the false mythology of aliens from the Dark Sirius Companion. This article appeared in Fortean Times. Clearly the Dogons (in common with many other cultures) were fascinated by Sirius, probably because its position in the sky was crucial to successful agriculture (it's the only star they have a name for.) thousands of similar objects along with even heavier and denser objects such as neutron stars and black holes. A revised edition was published in 1998 with the new subtitle New scientific Robert Temple, who spent eight years studying mythology, is convinced that he can trace the Sirius-B information back to the Sumerians. The brightest star in the sky is Sirius, now called Sirius A. The review was indeed consequently modified in parts where Temple explained portions of his book I may have misinterpreted. The book presents the hypothesis that the Dogon people of Mali, in West Africa, preserve a tradition of contact with intelligent extraterrestrial beings from the Sirius star system. "wished to affirm the complexity of African religions and questioned Did Oberg? As the brightest star in the sky it was known and worshiped by ancient civilizations. Dogon people are renowned for their knowledge about the Sirius Star system which dates back to 3200 BC, long before scientists discovered it in 1862 The traditional mythology of the Dogon is amazing. The obviously advanced astronomical knowledge must have come from somewhere, but is it an ancient bequest or a modern graft? Temple, however, has stated in the reprint of The Sirius Mystery (1999) that he in no way supports what he refers to as "sinister cults" that have been inspired by his book. The introduction to his second edition is so full of paranoid theorizing,2 that although it is quoted extensively and interpolated with favorable comments by Michael Bara (or possibly Richard Hoagland), the most extreme conspiracy claims are omitted.3. The oldest traces of life on Earth go back to about that time. The Dogon myths may or may not be related to these other putties (or even to Kepler's supernova, which has been seriously suggested.) According to Robert Temple (The Sirius Mystery), the Dogon had WebThe Dogon reportedly related to Griaule and Dieterlen a belief that the Nommos were inhabitants of a world circling the star Sirius (see the main article on the Dogon for a discussion of their astronomical knowledge). Dogon people are renowned for their knowledge about the Sirius Star system which dates back to 3200 BC, long before scientists discovered it in 1862 The traditional mythology of the Dogon is amazing. I disagree. Investigating Its appearance in the dawn sky over Egypt warned of the impending Nile floods and the summer's heat and marked the beginning of the Egyptian calendar. You dont have to watch too many Fantasy Channel (formerly known as the History Channel) specials on ancient astronauts before youll be told about the primitive African Dogon of Mali and their advanced astronomical knowledge bestowed, of course, by extraterrestrials. by Liam McDaid. How is that the Dogan tribe has a culture that combines elements from 3 different ancient traditions "rituals of Judaism, practices of ancient Egypt, and a symbolic cosmology that's closely resembles Buddhism? The second idea, championed by Afrocentrist historians, is that the Dogons either found out about Sirius B on their own or learned about it from the Egyptians. The Dogon have a traditional interest in the sky and astronomical phenomena. He also gives public talks on astronomy and related fringe topics to international audiences. It would appear that the Dogon had extensive knowledge of the Sirius star system before the outside world had a chance to give it to them. A recent newsletter from my local astronomy association still found the Dogon and their mysterious knowledge of Sirius B worth mentioning. "It does not!" Sirius B was known to exist then. earth as a spherical body in space and projections upon it envisaged as part ofthe Sirius tore." implausible notions such as the claim that the Dogon got their knowledge WebThe Dogon understanding of astronomy was comparatively modern but has several known misconceptions - it entirely lines up with the European understanding as of the late 19th and early 20th centuries, before the discovery of relativity. As Picknett and Prince have been able to show, Temples arguments are often based on erroneous readings of encyclopdia entries and misrepresentations of ancient Egyptian mythology. The Dogon understanding of astronomy was comparatively modern but has several known misconceptions - it entirely lines up with the European understanding as of the late 19th and early 20th centuries, before the discovery of relativity. A review of the astronomical, cultural, and anthropological sides of this issue might be timely. Greek and Arab myths and words are considered to a lesser extent. But Fishs map used an arbitrary viewpoint in space. star" (Sirius B) and describe its density and rotational One example: "If a Sirius-C is ever discovered and found to be a red dwarf, I will conclude that the Dogon information has been fully validated." Readers of Skeptic are not so sanguine. Beware of mood swings. Melanin Conference, San Francisco, September 16-17, 1987"). Giants appear in cultures around the world: Biblical tales of giants more than ten feet tall; Roman and Greek stories of titans and heroes; European stories of giants of mountain and hill. Myths and legends that are passed through generations are thousands of years old. WebNew evidence deals a devastating blow to what was considered to be the best case for extraterrestrial visitation. This is true, but Sirius has about 25 times the luminosity of the Sun. e issued monthly by the Griffith Observatory in Los Angeles. Ridpath asserts. 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